Bonehead Question

I belong to a Yahoo talk group that was originally started for, and by, Duncan Hunter supporters. It is now, more less, a conservative think tank. Just a few days ago, I proposed a question, or should I say, a question with no answer. The basics of the question was this, with the gas prices of today reaching our furthest star, and if our government is saying that the illegal immigrants in this country are doing jobs for far less wages than legal American citizens would do them for, then how is the illegal immigrant population able to pay for the high price of gas since they are making less than the average worker?

Well, there is a gentleman in my Yahoo group that found this question interesting and he decided to post that same question on his blog. You can read his blog at http://rotterdamrepublican.blogspot.com/ Well, tonight, Kevin dropped me an email stating that he got a reply to the question. I would like to share with you what that reply was, so here it is:

working class said...
Let me preface this by saying: I've worked, sweat and bled with these "illegals." I've talked with them about their lives back home and shared a beer or two. With that said, there's a major problem with your question's premise: Most "illegals" don't own cars. If you see them -and you usually don't -a lot of them ride bicycles and live nearby where they work; say within a mile or two. It's a cheaper, safer and more efficient mode of transportation. See, if you're in a country without documentation, it's usually a good idea to fly beneath the radar. Driving a car illegally(if you're not allowed in the country, you're certainly not allowed to purchase car insurance and thus drive a car legally) would be a good way to draw the ire of ICE, a bumbling massively overworked-undermanned organization that couldn't curb, much less quell the tide of immigrants flowing into this country. Not to mention, if you've spent just about everything you own to get into the country illegally, you certainly don't want to jeopardize that by violating all the other laws. Sure, there are exceptions. There are always exceptions. But as a whole, the undocumented/illegal population in the U.S. flies below -WAY below -the radar. That's why they're still here.But back to the premise of the question, which is to say if it's so damn expensive to live here, then will all these foreign workers go home. The answer is simple: No. Why? Because they live cheaper and more efficiently than U.S. citizens. They often live in crowded one-room apartments(10 guys in a one-bedroom), don't mind shacking up on job sites (even in the winter) and can sustain themselves on a bag of rice and some beans for several months while they squirrel away money for their families back home. In fact, the American working poor could learn a lot from these guys. I'm surprised conservative thinkers don't embrace this type of lifestyle. Just think about the tax dollars that could be saved if the food stamp junkies started buying real food and not instant meals and TV dinners. In short, it's a shame these guys aren't American. We could use some of their elbow grease.Think about it. It's food for thought that you can pass around the conservative think-tank the next time such a bonehead question comes up.
Fri May 09, 06:44:00 PM

When I read this, I came unglued!! I don't know where this cat, "working class" lives, but it damn sure isn't in Dallas Texas. I would go as far as saying that he doesn't even live in one of the border states.

First, I would like "working class" to know that illegal immigrants DO own cars. I live out in east Texas and I commute, on average, an hour and 15 minutes to an hour and a half to work. During this commute, I pass around 15-20 USED car lots. All of them look the same. All of them sit in southeast Dallas County. One of the heaviest populated illegal immigrant areas of Dallas. They all have 3 flags waving along the entrance of the parking lots. Some have several flags along the fence line. But the fact remains that there is only 3 patterns of flags flown at these prime establishments. They are the United States flag, the state of Texas flag, and last, the Mexico flag.

I don't ever see an Alabama state flag. Nor do I ever see a Canadian flag. Nope, just 3. The Texas, U.S. and Mexican. So who are they advertising to by doing this? Now mind you, I have already mentioned that most of these used car dealerships sit in southeast Dallas County. One of the heaviest illegal immigrant populated areas of Dallas. Inside of these used car lots are nothing but a bunch of run down, failed state inspection, mosquito sprayers. All with signs that say "buy here, pay here". "working class" brings up auto insurance. To that, I have this to say. Some auto insurers, however, see a golden opportunity. California law, for example, doesn’t bar companies from selling insurance to unlicensed motorists. So, insurers, including some major ones like Progressive Corp., are covering illegal-immigrant drivers, often charging them premiums above the normal market rate.

Funny thing I just thought of, I don't recall seeing any Toys R Us stores with bicycles all lined up outside.

Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001. (now mind you, these are stats that were taken in 2006. I don't ever see news reels showing illegals going back to Mexico, rather I see a ton of them coming over to the United States every single day. Off of that, I am going to say that since 2006, these numbers are much higher.) But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

I'm sorry, did that last statistic taken in 2006, say that an additional 13 Americans are killed each day by drunk illegal alien drivers? Wow! That is awesome! In all of my 38 years, I have never heard of someone getting killed by a drunkard on a bicycle. According to "working class", the bicycle is the chosen method of transportation by the illegal immigrant.

"working class" had this to say about the dietary habits of the illegal immigrant: "can sustain themselves on a bag of rice and some beans for several months while they squirrel away money for their families back home. In fact, the American working poor could learn a lot from these guys. I'm surprised conservative thinkers don't embrace this type of lifestyle. Just think about the tax dollars that could be saved if the food stamp junkies started buying real food and not instant meals and TV dinners". Now, "working class" should know all of this, after all, he has sat and drank a beer or two with them.

I wonder if this ever come up in conversation while "working class" was enjoying a few cervezas? According to a 2002 Center for Immigration Services report, (again, these numbers are 6 years old, so with more coming to this country than leaving it, I'm going to assume these numbers are higher by now) households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household. The report goes on to say that among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

I'm sorry, does it say $1.9 billion for food stamps and free school lunches? This can't be. According to good ole' "working class", these folks eat beans and rice.

So, I leave you with a question without an answer:


Fact: gas prices are $3.50 and more per gallon here in Texas

Fact: The government says that illegal immigrants are doing jobs that most "Americans" won't do

Fact: These jobs are generally being done for slave wages

Here is my question...if the illegals are working for WAY less wages than most Americans, how is it that they are able to afford these type of gas prices?

Next time you would like to say something in regards to something being a "bonehead question", please be sure you have some facts to back your statement up.

KP (http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=186030) all used for my data